---
title: Tony–Ty call
date: 2026-09-22
duration: 2h08
tags:
  - call
  - slab-uploader
  - geolocal
  - after-the-demo
  - ebay
  - nap
  - hermes
  - rockbot
  - muse
  - jeb
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# Tony–Ty call · 22 Sep 2026

Ty = builder stack (Slab Uploader, Hermes, After the Demo, GeoLocal).
Tony = local-business loop (NAP/GBP, Rockbot, Muse, Phoenix / Overcome / Ashley).
SPEAKER_02 = short shipping voice (envelope rates + written outline).

North star said out loud: close paying work, post-mortem, then process. Tools after that.

## Decisions

- Wave-one eBay postage = native eBay labels, not Pirate Ship.
- eBay Standard Envelope is category-locked. Resistors / electronics are out.
- 99¢ shipping on electronics = cost stuffed into price, or untracked stamp risk.
- Sell as a US seller on purpose. China Post last-mile is real; buyers pay extra to avoid it.
- Slab Uploader v1: no auto species/figure inference. Human sets attributes. AI writes title + short + long only.
- Wood-expert model (Jeb / Laya) is parallel, not a ship gate.
- After the Demo = self-hosted first, product-development only. Not life-admin AI.
- GeoLocal beats After the Demo as the revenue bet. Slab Uploader is the boot camp.
- Human enters GBP / passwords. Agents draft.
- Buy Whoop now for on-demand SpO2. Do not wait on Stacy for sizing.
- Trip: rental car, not Cybercab. North side (not all the way to Canyon Lake). Two comfortable couches, not a third bedroom.
- Stop framework tourism until current clients / Slab v1 move.

## Action items

### Ty
- [ ] Hermes food diary: photo ingredient labels, correlate allergy attacks. Beer already cut. Cider seemed fine once.
- [ ] Photograph inventory. Muse / Regis lists and answers on eBay (caps, NTE, other SKUs).
- [ ] Research resistor shipping without Envelope (absorb cost vs stamp risk). Get SPEAKER_02 outline.
- [ ] Ship Slab v1 without inference call 1. Fix continue / overlay / ruler bugs separately.
- [ ] Walk Tony through cloning the UAT / Lauren-rails template repo (Titech Internal).
- [ ] Tag work items: Laya (open Jeb-class), Laya-on-a-1070 writeup.
- [ ] Structure After the Demo: go-kart → 27B → frontier. Hybrid OK (expensive model designs, cheap model executes).
- [ ] Keep using issues as the work contract (issue 99 overlay style).
- [ ] Call mom. Buy Whoop. Book north-side stay + rental. Sac → Austin nonstop if fare is close.
- [ ] Christian hospital bill / motorcycle rack: Muse or Grokbot to negotiate.
- [ ] Drop Muse referral in Telegram.
- [ ] Follow up Larry. Follow up Kim (audit already sent).

### Tony
- [ ] Close Phoenix Long first.
- [ ] Overcome Fitness + Phoenix Salon end-to-end, then post-mortem the flow.
- [ ] Finish Ashley digital footprint.
- [ ] Bitwarden autofill across iPhone + PC.
- [ ] Isenberg AEO/GEO podcast transcript → Obsidian, compress.
- [ ] Optional: industry map of how fast AI eats each vertical.
- [ ] Newcomer guide for people who can use a computer and still cannot pick a starting project.
- [ ] Set up Muse when partner is home. Check Grokbot Team marketplace, Steal-the-Business, Dr. Eggbot.
- [ ] Cold-target local businesses with wrecked NAP. Example price on call: ~$350 one-shot cleanup.

### SPEAKER_02
- [ ] Written outline of sports-card envelope shipping so Ty does not reconstruct it from voice.

## Stack mentioned

- Apps / harnesses: Hermes desktop, Oh My Hermes, Hermes bot mode, Muse app (not Meta Muse model), Rockbot / Grokbot, Grok build, Open Code / Open Code Go ($10/mo), Cursor, DC harness, Fable, Jeb / Jev playground, Lev / Jeff Maker, Laya
- Models: Swift (3.8 27B-class Q5 on 5090), Kimi 2.5, Grok 4.6 medium, DeepSeek flash 0731, “bond” 27B on a 3060 ~50 tok/s
- Hardware: 5060 (often the Hermes UI / deploy box), 5090, spare 1070, Tony’s 3060
- Repos / products: Slab Uploader, Verapath, After the Demo, GeoLocal, Titech Internal template, WooCommerce
- Clients / sites: Overcome Fitness, Phoenix Salon, Phoenix Long, Ashley, Larry, Kim
- Other: Bitwarden, Gitea, Whoop, Dr. Eggbot, config bot (Tailscale), RemediateBot, Muse Cases (X), Isenberg AEO/GEO podcast

## eBay / shipping

- Pirate Ship already has an account + Christmas-rate warning. Do not use it for wave one.
- Standard Envelope allow-list: trading cards, coins, paper money, postcards, seeds, patches, stickers, decals. Not electronics.
- Envelope label cost when allowed: ~$0.82–$1.40 for 1–3 oz. Tracked first-class in Ty’s category: ~$4.99–$5.50.
- Prompt to start the Muse thread: “I know on eBay you can ship sports cards using envelope rates.” Then ask about resistors.

## Slab Uploader

Current loop:
1. Gallery photos
2. Background / mask (fuzzies still)
3. Ruler rectangle (UI is wrong; will replace)
4. Manual length + thickness
5. Board feet / sq ft / crop / axis line
6. WooCommerce categories already wired
7. Inference 1 = attributes (species, bookmatch, live edge, figure) — **bad, three clicks → three species**
8. Inference 2 = SEO title + short + long — blocked on good attributes

v1 cut: skip step 7. Type maple + traits. Keep step 8. Build wood expert in parallel with Jeb primitives (`new` / `choice` / `score`).

Rails already in place: launch Hermes from `slab-uploader` folder so session binds to checkout + branch; UAT deploy docs; Gitea is the only door (SSH key, tests must pass).

Last 10% rule they both repeated: prototype is fast, glue takes months.

## After the Demo / GeoLocal

- After the Demo audience: never-coded through 20-year devs.
- Product: guided end-to-end projects (Hello World web, Hello World iOS, then medium, then hard). Not tool tours.
- Non-code checklist that belongs in “after the demo”: compliance, help files, CS loop, refunds, live-site debug, reports.
- Premium idea: extra skills + user-contributed skills (Patreon-style).
- Post-mortem skill: sanitize session logs, tutor the operator at their depth, fewer wasted tokens.
- GeoLocal is the money: long tail of mom-and-pops who still need NAP / GBP / Apple Business / messy real-world presence. One-button ChatGPT may or may not eat that in 1–2 years. Unanswered.

## Operating theory

- LLMs compound error. Soft files (`AGENTS.md`, skills) are suggestions. Build scripts and tests are rails.
- Lauren talk: 1,200 PRs/mo → 2,500. Path of least resistance must be the correct path. No agent comments in code (next agent treats them as hints → rot).
- Use industry words the models already know: UAT, TDD, post-mortem.
- Rockbot wins “serve me the next ticket.” Hermes wins local GPU + modular skills + cheaper tokens if a chief-of-staff hybrid works.
- Sep 2026 frame they used: Jan–Mar = agentic frameworks. Aug–Sep = collaborative bot frameworks.
- Cookie-cutter after the first paving. First UAT deploy was slow. Now a change is routine.

## Family / travel

- Mom texted ~10–11 night before. Call her. She is on oxygen and sounded clearer on a good day. Fear: harder to reach, then the next call is Stacy.
- Stacy: nebulizer world, hates three-way chat.
- Whoop for on-demand SpO2.
- Book soon. Prefer nonstop Sacramento → Austin (~3h) if price is close.
- Mom uses the couch, not the bed. Filter Airbnbs for two good couches.
- North side of the region > San Antonio proper. Not all the way to Canyon Lake.
- Rent a car. Cybercab is a gimmick for this trip (~$80 saved vs two cab rides, and they still need a car).

## Open loops

- Hermes never popped a clean GBP login pane on the call.
- Steal-the-Business bot may only be a prompt.
- Open Code Go: Tony paid, does not understand it.
- Bitwarden cross-device: named, not done.
- One-button vs GeoLocal helper in 12–24 months: asked, not answered.
- iOS Hermes app (Simons): watch only.
- Config bot for Tailscale resets / falls off.

## Quotes worth keeping

- “I need an outline. Talking on the phone I’m not gonna remember the process.”
- “Slab Uploader is my boot camp so I can go get into GeoLocal.”
- “What matters is moving the needle. Get Overcome Fitness. Get Phoenix Salon. Post-mortem. Then build process.”
- Train analogy: best engine on earth until it leaves the rails.
- Race-car analogy: go-kart → dirt track → NASCAR. Do not hand a new driver Fable first.
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